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		<title>By: Thaxt</title>
		<link>http://gaussmarkov.net/wordpress/circuits/big-muff-pi-triangle-version/comment-page-1/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>Thaxt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, azeph,

For a great bass tonestack, a la BMP, (using the schematic available on this site) , change R17 &amp; 23 to anywhere between 5.6K - 15K. Vary &amp; tweak this # to taste, of course. I started with 5.6Ks.

Change C11 to .22uf. Then, change C10 to anywhere from .0068 - .01uf. An .0086uf cap here seems pretty good for me so far.

Raising R17 &amp; R23 in tandem seems to yield more &#039;edge&#039; to the bass sound - lowering down to 5.6K resistors takes off edge, &amp; makes for a round, lowpass bass tone, interactive w the TONE pot, as you&#039;ll notice. This change is very interactive w tone pot&#039;s position. 

I use a 10K, dual-gang pot in series w the 5.6K resistors, &amp; this gives me a neatly variable &#039;edge&#039; control for this tonestack as adapted to bass.

For the TONE pot, use the usual 100K/L one, but, place a 47K resistor between either end lug, &amp; where you connect the tonepot to the normal spots on the BMP circuit.

Since I use this tonestack as an isolated bass tone control, I found that placing a very simple, 1 FET (or 1 MOSFET) low-gain, low distortion, clean boost preamp here, with a large electrolytic cap output - like, 10uf - 100uf, compensates for the signal loss the tonestack can produce. (or, just turn your bass amp up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, azeph,</p>
<p>For a great bass tonestack, a la BMP, (using the schematic available on this site) , change R17 &amp; 23 to anywhere between 5.6K &#8211; 15K. Vary &amp; tweak this # to taste, of course. I started with 5.6Ks.</p>
<p>Change C11 to .22uf. Then, change C10 to anywhere from .0068 &#8211; .01uf. An .0086uf cap here seems pretty good for me so far.</p>
<p>Raising R17 &amp; R23 in tandem seems to yield more &#8216;edge&#8217; to the bass sound &#8211; lowering down to 5.6K resistors takes off edge, &amp; makes for a round, lowpass bass tone, interactive w the TONE pot, as you&#8217;ll notice. This change is very interactive w tone pot&#8217;s position. </p>
<p>I use a 10K, dual-gang pot in series w the 5.6K resistors, &amp; this gives me a neatly variable &#8216;edge&#8217; control for this tonestack as adapted to bass.</p>
<p>For the TONE pot, use the usual 100K/L one, but, place a 47K resistor between either end lug, &amp; where you connect the tonepot to the normal spots on the BMP circuit.</p>
<p>Since I use this tonestack as an isolated bass tone control, I found that placing a very simple, 1 FET (or 1 MOSFET) low-gain, low distortion, clean boost preamp here, with a large electrolytic cap output &#8211; like, 10uf &#8211; 100uf, compensates for the signal loss the tonestack can produce. (or, just turn your bass amp up)</p>
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		<title>By: azeph</title>
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		<dc:creator>azeph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi !

I&#039;m a bassist, and I really want to do a Big Muff. But this is a guitar version. Have you any idea  for changing this circuit to make a Big Muff Bass version ? I think I must change some capacitors (and maybe some resistors too), but I don&#039;t have any idea on which I have to use.

Any idea ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi !</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bassist, and I really want to do a Big Muff. But this is a guitar version. Have you any idea  for changing this circuit to make a Big Muff Bass version ? I think I must change some capacitors (and maybe some resistors too), but I don&#8217;t have any idea on which I have to use.</p>
<p>Any idea ?</p>
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		<title>By: gaussmarkov</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaussmarkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, 100K.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, 100K.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you confirm you used a 100k pot????

I bought them and they&#039;re arriving but in other site I see the pot are 10k!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you confirm you used a 100k pot????</p>
<p>I bought them and they&#8217;re arriving but in other site I see the pot are 10k!</p>
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		<title>By: Thaxt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaxt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That BMP tonestack form is proving do do great things in adding tuneable midscoop sounds to my bass, btw. This is part of why bassists always enjoyed using BMPs for bass distortion.

Taking off from the fact that the BMP tone control was bass friendly to begin with,I wnet looking for a clean bass tone control, minus the distortion. &amp;, sure &#039;nuff, I &#039;ve tweaked some good mods for adding a clean, tuneable, midscoop-to-pure lows bass tone control onto my bass. Doesn&#039;t even need any compensating clean boost actually - I just turn up the amp or mixer volume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That BMP tonestack form is proving do do great things in adding tuneable midscoop sounds to my bass, btw. This is part of why bassists always enjoyed using BMPs for bass distortion.</p>
<p>Taking off from the fact that the BMP tone control was bass friendly to begin with,I wnet looking for a clean bass tone control, minus the distortion. &amp;, sure &#8217;nuff, I &#8216;ve tweaked some good mods for adding a clean, tuneable, midscoop-to-pure lows bass tone control onto my bass. Doesn&#8217;t even need any compensating clean boost actually &#8211; I just turn up the amp or mixer volume.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaxt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaxt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend visiting Runoff Groove&#039;s Whisker Biscuit circuit. It&#039;s a great takeoff point for modding a very effective Vintage BMP sound.

Just tweak biases, caps, tonestack, &amp; diode types by ear, &amp; to individual taste. You can come up w a very individualized pedal sound w this one.

There is, (to my ear,anyway) a very distinct difference in sound between 1N914 &amp; 1N4148 diodes as clippers. From my A/B ing, the 4148s are dirtier, &amp; edgier, &amp; closer to the original BMP. There seems to be more intermodulation FX &amp; intermod-type sonic artifacts w them. Harsher. 

1N914s sound cleaner, more &#039;rounded&#039;. I &#039;hear&#039; a bit more 2nd harmonic oriented, tubelike roundness w their use, a cleaner report. In just about any clipping circuit - trannie or op amp.

While 1N34a&#039;s yield a compressed sound w higher drive &amp; gain, they also can carry a neat, uniquely characteristic static-y &#039;spike&#039; in many builds - when you don&#039;t drive them too hard. The Univox Superfuzz, Fender Blender, &amp; (various) 1N34a laden Octavia-type builds sound this way.

It&#039;s only when you really push them that you come up w those very compressed , smoothed out ,less clipped sounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend visiting Runoff Groove&#8217;s Whisker Biscuit circuit. It&#8217;s a great takeoff point for modding a very effective Vintage BMP sound.</p>
<p>Just tweak biases, caps, tonestack, &amp; diode types by ear, &amp; to individual taste. You can come up w a very individualized pedal sound w this one.</p>
<p>There is, (to my ear,anyway) a very distinct difference in sound between 1N914 &amp; 1N4148 diodes as clippers. From my A/B ing, the 4148s are dirtier, &amp; edgier, &amp; closer to the original BMP. There seems to be more intermodulation FX &amp; intermod-type sonic artifacts w them. Harsher. </p>
<p>1N914s sound cleaner, more &#8217;rounded&#8217;. I &#8216;hear&#8217; a bit more 2nd harmonic oriented, tubelike roundness w their use, a cleaner report. In just about any clipping circuit &#8211; trannie or op amp.</p>
<p>While 1N34a&#8217;s yield a compressed sound w higher drive &amp; gain, they also can carry a neat, uniquely characteristic static-y &#8217;spike&#8217; in many builds &#8211; when you don&#8217;t drive them too hard. The Univox Superfuzz, Fender Blender, &amp; (various) 1N34a laden Octavia-type builds sound this way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when you really push them that you come up w those very compressed , smoothed out ,less clipped sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: gaussmarkov</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaussmarkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right.  The source of the schem is really important.  So I always give a reference and it is in the documents as well as in the blurb below the layout shown at the top &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/schems/bigmuffpit.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;diystompboxes.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right.  The source of the schem is really important.  So I always give a reference and it is in the documents as well as in the blurb below the layout shown at the top <a href="http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/schems/bigmuffpit.gif" rel="nofollow">diystompboxes.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: travlinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>travlinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering if you actually traced a known good triangle BMP instead of looking at schematics off the net since what I have seen doesn&#039;t always end up like the schematics say in terms of the real values. The tolerences can be off as much as 20%+ even with their age these tolerences will become further apart also. It&#039;s important to measure the values out of circuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if you actually traced a known good triangle BMP instead of looking at schematics off the net since what I have seen doesn&#8217;t always end up like the schematics say in terms of the real values. The tolerences can be off as much as 20%+ even with their age these tolerences will become further apart also. It&#8217;s important to measure the values out of circuit.</p>
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		<title>By: direx</title>
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		<dc:creator>direx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,i built this muff today and wow sound like the original triangle 1 version.i use c6 and c9 47n and 2n2222a transistors very close to fs36999.thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,i built this muff today and wow sound like the original triangle 1 version.i use c6 and c9 47n and 2n2222a transistors very close to fs36999.thanks</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyWonder</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnnyWonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FS36999 were used in some early triangle Muff Pi&#039;s they were just medium gain batch lot transistors that varied in beta from one end to the other. EH was known for using bulk parts with large tolerences ~20%. So there is quite a lot of variation. Playing the the bias is a great way to waveshape the Muff circuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FS36999 were used in some early triangle Muff Pi&#8217;s they were just medium gain batch lot transistors that varied in beta from one end to the other. EH was known for using bulk parts with large tolerences ~20%. So there is quite a lot of variation. Playing the the bias is a great way to waveshape the Muff circuit.</p>
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